Divisions A and B 2020-2021

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Divisions A and B 2020-2021

Post by pinkagape » Sun 18 Oct, 2020 7:42 pm

Divisions A and B both have the same puzzle sets in 2020-2021. Each Division has X competitors, and in each round, the winner gets X credits, second place gets X-1 credits and so on. Players who do not compete in a round receive 0 credits. The winner of a division is promoted, and the last place finisher will be relegated.

Specific dates for each round will be added when they are released by the corresponding bodies.

TBC January - LMI Puzzle Ramayan
TBC February - WPF Puzzle Grand Prix
15th - 20th March - Puzzle Duel contest
TBC April - LMI Puzzle Ramayan
TBC May - WPF Puzzle Grand Prix
TBC June - WPF Puzzle Grand Prix

The March competition will involve the website http://www.puzzleduel.club and will combine the times for a week's worth of puzzles. More details will be given closer to the time.
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Re: Divisions A and B 2020-2021

Post by detuned » Sun 18 Oct, 2020 11:47 pm

I'm not taking this super-seriously (for example I probably won't take part in the LMI contests), so by all means please don't act just on the basis of me, but...

The Puzzle Duel interface is mouse only, and it is singularly awful because of that. I think I'm OK at it and probably have a slight advantage over other solvers when using it, but I don't think it's the best thing to be using for a competition.

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Re: Divisions A and B 2020-2021

Post by detuned » Mon 19 Oct, 2020 12:03 am

On the subject of LMI (and here I'm leaving aside my personal grievances) - from a competition point of view it is not clear what is going to happen next year when Flash becomes totally obsolete. They may not even have a functioning competition engine!

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Re: Divisions A and B 2020-2021

Post by pinkagape » Mon 19 Oct, 2020 5:53 pm

Thanks Tom. We’ll watch this space with regards to LMI then.

Regarding Puzzle Duel, I don’t see an issue with giving everyone the same solving medium. After a very interesting discussion about writing speeds and notations, I like the idea of levelling that particular playing field. If it doesn’t work well, we can change it for 2021-2022.

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Re: Divisions A and B 2020-2021

Post by Feadoor » Mon 19 Oct, 2020 6:39 pm

pinkagape wrote:
Mon 19 Oct, 2020 5:53 pm
Regarding Puzzle Duel, I don’t see an issue with giving everyone the same solving medium. After a very interesting discussion about writing speeds and notations, I like the idea of levelling that particular playing field. If it doesn’t work well, we can change it for 2021-2022.
It's only level if I go out and buy a mouse.

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Re: Divisions A and B 2020-2021

Post by pinkagape » Mon 19 Oct, 2020 6:51 pm

That is a very fair point. I’ll have a think.

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Re: Divisions A and B 2020-2021

Post by pinkagape » Tue 20 Oct, 2020 6:56 pm

Hi

I’ve just tried to use Puzzle Duel on a tablet and a laptop and it seemed fine. Is that because it was a loop puzzle? Where is the issue?

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Re: Divisions A and B 2020-2021

Post by Feadoor » Tue 20 Oct, 2020 8:19 pm

I haven't used the site so this is pure speculation, but my intuitive feeling is that anyone with a mouse is likely to be able to make accurate movements significantly more quickly than me using a trackpad.

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Re: Divisions A and B 2020-2021

Post by detuned » Wed 21 Oct, 2020 2:29 pm

pinkagape wrote:
Tue 20 Oct, 2020 6:56 pm
Hi

I’ve just tried to use Puzzle Duel on a tablet and a laptop and it seemed fine. Is that because it was a loop puzzle? Where is the issue?
Try a shading puzzle - awkward but doable, there’s no dragging so you have to click every cell. Definitely favours those with good mouse work.
Try an object placement puzzle - definitely getting annoying
Try a number placing puzzle - practically unusable.

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Re: Divisions A and B 2020-2021

Post by Puzzle_Maestro » Wed 21 Oct, 2020 4:00 pm

It seems to me that the Puzzleduel interface is designed to be mobile-friendly to an extent - at least that would explain the rather clumsy number placement input. Though not having a mouse would certainly be a disadvantage, even if only a small one.

Solving in any online interface tends to imbalanced in some way or another: there will always be some people which have much more experience with it than others. And this is not based on mouse proficiency only: you may be extremely adapted to a particular interface but completely unadapted to another. Ultimately the difference made isn’t large, but it is perceptible.

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Re: Divisions A and B 2020-2021

Post by detuned » Sat 24 Oct, 2020 9:48 am

Hmmm...I have to say I’d not considered the mobile aspect. I tried puzzle duel on my phone and it did feel like a better experience compared to laptop/mouse. I suspect that’s because I’ve got no baseline experience to compare to on mobile. I would say that, without any exaggeration, the sudoku on puzzle duel take me 2-3x longer than they otherwise would with keyboard and mouse available, whereas solving sudoku on a phone is something I just don’t do.

Anyhow, if for no other reason than that I think I’ll stick to mobile for puzzle duel from now on.

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