Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Fri 24 Jun, 2011 6:34 am

Congrats to Ronald as well - 6-3 at the mo, so that gives me a good reason to skip the Sudoku today...

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by sknight » Fri 24 Jun, 2011 1:18 pm

I don't know about skipping puzzles like today's sudoku. If you don't have a chunk of time to devote to it I understand. On the other hand, it's not any worse than the usual full-size vergleichssudoku, and there are going to be several dozen people who fail to complete it (there were 40 in progress last I checked, but some may be actively working on solutions). That means it's pretty much free points for every person who solves it in a reasonable time. In many ways, as a bit of a slowpoke, I'd rather have this sort of puzzle than a sprint like the thermometer puzzle its paired with. On the quick puzzles, any little thing that adds 15 seconds to your time sinks your score*. On a puzzle like the sudoku, I can systematically work my way through it with #-notation and elbow grease and still boost my rating.

Also, I think this is sort of an interesting puzzle by the usual computer-generated standards. I enjoyed solving it.

*in my case, the "any little thing" is "being over 40" I think. They say puzzle-solving speed is the third thing to go, right after the memory and the, uh ... what was that other thing ... er ...

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by ronald » Fri 24 Jun, 2011 5:05 pm

I think you've underestimated how much drsteve dislikes sudoku.

I actually thought this was a nice puzzle but I'll take the 7-3 result :D

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by detuned » Fri 24 Jun, 2011 5:20 pm

Actually, I'd say these inequality sudoku solve far more like futoshiki than some examples I've seen (normally the tedious ones where there are no givens but you start solving with 1's and 9's and meet up in the middle). I think they are relatively nice puzzles on croco, although I still feel like I'm solving at 1.5x or 2x normal times. The # interface is very helpful now that I know about it, but also very clunky to operate.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Fri 24 Jun, 2011 7:27 pm

Well, I can't stand Futoshiki either - always seems to be too much guesswork involved, which means that I'm not doing it properly.

In terms of skipping this puzzle, basically if it's going to take me an age to do (probably 2 x detuned's time on average) then I'd rather it be a puzzle I enjoyed. Call me a weirdo, but I do puzzles because I enjoy them. I tend to steer clear of sudoku for the opposite reason.

Having said that, I've done it - shame about typo in one of the squares - so now it's a proper 7-3 to you, Ronald

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Post by dickoon » Fri 24 Jun, 2011 9:05 pm

Here are the results of the thirteenth week of the UK croco-puzzle ladder:

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                 | detuned   oenomel | ronaldx   drsteve | rodders   kiwijam | dickoon    PuzzleScot |
Monday           |                   |                   |                   |                       |
Thermometer      | 06:32     01:51   | 00:50     01:27   | 04:03     01:24   | 02:52      03:08      |
Hochhäuser       | 10:45     28:27   | 09:55     05:53   | 09:08     07:40   | 09:13      9999:59    |
Tuesday          |                   |                   |                   |                       |
Rundweg          | 03:55     09:24   | 08:25     05:35   | 42:02     09:29   | 9999:59    11:05      |
U-Bahn           | 02:07     02:27   | 01:22     02:22   | 01:47     01:34   | 07:48      02:30      |
Wednesday        |                   |                   |                   |                       |
Tapa             | 12:29     09:40   | 04:46     19:44   | 22:06     05:07   | 13:20      9999:59    |
Hitori           | 02:33     01:48   | 01:07     01:20   | 01:54     01:53   | 03:51      9999:59    |
Thursday         |                   |                   |                   |                       |
Tapa             | 11:59     06:20   | 05:41     08:45   | 09:09     04:25   | 14:48      11:13      |
Hashi            | 06:56     07:19   | 07:38     07:11   | 10:32     02:46   | 10:59      03:11      |
Friday           |                   |                   |                   |                       |
Thermometer      | 01:20     02:28   | 01:34     01:44   | 08:16     01:52   | 05:36      01:52      |
Vergleichssudoku | 10:54     15:15   | 13:24     20:45   | 16:43     13:15   | 441:55     28:40      |
FINAL SCORE      | 6         4       | 7         3       | 0         10      | 4          6          |
detuned 6 oenomel 4
ronaldx 7 drsteve 3
rodders 0 kiwijam 10
dickoon 4 PuzzleScot 6

Congratulations to our winners, especially to Tom on another successful title defence! I look forward to seeing who can carry their good form over into the UK Puzzle Championship this weekend. I managed to get myself relegated, again, which is probably exactly what I deserve (despite Alan's kind efforts to give me a walk, considering where his puzzle activity must correctly be focused) considering my Tagesrating for the week was, probably, something like 550 at a guess.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Fri 24 Jun, 2011 9:12 pm

The fourteenth week's matches are as follows:

CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
detuned (C) vs. ronaldx
Winner becomes (or remains) champion and defends the championship next week, loser descends to the #1 contender match next week.

#1 CONTENDER MATCH
oenomel vs. kiwijam
Winner becomes #1 contender and gets a championship match next week, loser descends to the #2 contender match next week.

#2 CONTENDER MATCH
drsteve vs. PuzzleScot
Winner becomes #2 contender and gets a #1 contender match next week, loser descends to the relegation match next week.

RELEGATION MATCH
rodders vs. afcwarren
Winner survives and gets a #2 contender match next week, loser relegated from the ladder and replaced by whoever's at the front of the waiting list.

Waiting list: puzzlemad, dickoon

Matches are to be played over Monday 27th June to Friday 1st July, with possible extra time on Saturday 2nd July if required.

I'm not feeling all that commentary-ish today; I'll see if I can put together a head-to-head featuring at least two discussed match composition regimes for comparison's sake.

As ever, if you know in advance that you won't be able to take part on any particular weekday, please speak up as far in advance as you can and book yourself one or two bye days. If anybody else wants to join the waiting list, please let me know.

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Post by detuned » Mon 27 Jun, 2011 10:06 pm

Ok, I'm going to be away on conference this week and will definitely not be able to have a go on wednesday and thursday, and probably unlikely for friday as well (although I will try). Can I get wednesday and thursday as bye days?

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Tue 28 Jun, 2011 12:48 am

No problem! Granted.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by PuzzleScot » Fri 01 Jul, 2011 9:09 am

I've just been robbed!
Knowing I had to win both today's puzzles to take Steve to a tie-break, I took extra care.
Looked at Bahnhof first, clicked anleitung to check the rules. Checked back here for the English rules.
Went back, clicked Initialise, then thought - hmm, better practice first.
So, hunted out the sole preisraetsel, and played it until I knew what I was doing.
Went back to the uberraschungsraetsel, clicked Initialise again, and the puzzle popped right up (I didn't click Start!)
Huh? So I solved anyway, like lightning! Then was told my time was 6m+ !! wtf?
So I got my stopwatch out, and did it again - 33.68s (vs Steve's 35s!)
I think the first attempt was quicker still, but I couldn't be 100% certain.
Steve beat me fair and square on the Japanese sums, so at least this wasn't the decider...
Berni, how did the puzzle start without me ever having clicked 'Start' ?!? Does the time always count from clicking 'Initialise' ?

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by GarethMoore » Fri 01 Jul, 2011 10:08 am

I don't use croco puzzle, but from occasional browsing of this thread I understood that if your play time was much shorter than the time since initialisation, the time from initialisation took priority? Doesn't that explain it? :)

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by nickdeller » Fri 01 Jul, 2011 12:32 pm

PuzzleScot wrote:...Berni, how did the puzzle start without me ever having clicked 'Start' ?!? Does the time always count from clicking 'Initialise' ?
I'm not Berni, but I know this one. :D If you click Initialise and then solve the puzzle without ever leaving the applet, then your time is counted from when you click Start. If you click Initialise, then browse away and go back, then your time is calculated from when you clicked Initialise - EVEN if you never actually clicked on Start. I think it's done that way to avoid internet lags affecting the timing, as far as possible, so long as you solve in one session.

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Post by berni » Fri 01 Jul, 2011 1:12 pm

nickdeller wrote:
PuzzleScot wrote:...Berni, how did the puzzle start without me ever having clicked 'Start' ?!? Does the time always count from clicking 'Initialise' ?
I'm not Berni, but I know this one. :D If you click Initialise and then solve the puzzle without ever leaving the applet, then your time is counted from when you click Start. If you click Initialise, then browse away and go back, then your time is calculated from when you clicked Initialise - EVEN if you never actually clicked on Start. I think it's done that way to avoid internet lags affecting the timing, as far as possible, so long as you solve in one session.
That's exactly the correct explanation.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Fri 01 Jul, 2011 10:35 pm

Here are the results of the fourteenth week of the UK croco-puzzle ladder:

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                  | detuned   ronaldx | oenomel   kiwijam | drsteve   puzzlescot | rodders   afcwarren |
Monday            |                   |                   |                      |                     |
Gebietssummen     | 00:34     00:51   | 01:16     01:11   | 00:46     00:48      | 00:44     02:23     |
Killersudoku      | 03:18     04:14   | 04:17     05:00   | 09:22     08:26      | 05:10     08:49     |
Tuesday           |                   |                   |                      |                     |
Gebietssummen     | 02:00     00:54   | 01:36     01:34   | 02:23     01:35      | 01:29     02:00     |
Pyramidenrätsel   | 02:18     06:25   | 01:01     01:06   | 02:08     01:19      | 01:40     07:27     |
Wednesday         |                   |                   |                      |                     |
Japanische Summen |                   | 07:25     04:58   | 06:23     15:41      | 06:11     17:28     |
Sudoku            |                   | 18:39     10:10   | 09:03     37:13      | 10:02     09:36     |
Thursday          |                   |                   |                      |                     |
Doppelstern       |                   | 03:29     02:37   | 02:38     02:58      | 14:15     03:38     |
Pillen            |                   | 13:38     09:33   | 06:39     13:10      | 20:36     08:28     |
Friday            |                   |                   |                      |                     |
Japanische Summen | 03:39     06:23   | 03:16     03:04   | 02:56     04:07      | 03:51     03:29     |
Bahnhöfe          | 00:52     01:11   | 01:31     00:41   | 00:35     06:43      | 02:54     10:24     |
FINAL SCORE       | 5         1       | 2         8       | 7         3          | 6         4         |
detuned 5 ronaldx 1
oenomel 2 kiwijam 8
drsteve 7 PuzzleScot 3
rodders 6 afcwarren 4

Congratulations to our winners, especially to Tom on another successful title defence! Commiserations to afcwarren, who is relegated from the ladder - but it was close. Thanks for playiing, Warren; you're most welcome to rejoin any time, and unless you say otherwise I'll put you on the waiting list to join again.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Fri 01 Jul, 2011 10:43 pm

The fifteenth week's matches are as follows:

CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
detuned (C) vs. kiwijam
Winner becomes (or remains) champion and defends the championship next week, loser descends to the #1 contender match next week.

#1 CONTENDER MATCH
ronaldx vs. drsteve
Winner becomes #1 contender and gets a championship match next week, loser descends to the #2 contender match next week.

#2 CONTENDER MATCH
oenomel vs. rodders
Winner becomes #2 contender and gets a #1 contender match next week, loser descends to the relegation match next week.

RELEGATION MATCH
PuzzleScot vs. puzzlemad
Winner survives and gets a #2 contender match next week, loser relegated from the ladder and replaced by whoever's at the front of the waiting list.

Waiting list: dickoon, afcwarren

Matches are to be played over Monday 4th July to Friday 8th July, with possible extra time on Saturday 9th July if required.

Have a look in the "Reflections on the croco-puzzle ladder?" thread, please, for a document I have put together comparing a number of match generation systems. I'd be delighted to know your thoughts.

As ever, if you know in advance that you won't be able to take part on any particular weekday, please speak up as far in advance as you can and book yourself one or two bye days. If anybody else wants to join the waiting list, please let me know.

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Post by detuned » Sat 02 Jul, 2011 4:11 pm

kiwijam has certainly shaken up the ladder - this will certainly be a fight and might be the end of my little spell at the top!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Fri 08 Jul, 2011 9:37 pm

Here are the results of the fifteenth week of the UK croco-puzzle ladder:

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                    | detuned   kiwijam | ronaldx    drsteve | oenomel   rodders | PuzzleScot   puzzlemad |
Monday              |                   |                    |                   |                        |
Hochhäuser          | 00:50     00:58   | 01:25      00:35   | 01:58     00:52   | 01:09        02:31     |
Killersudoku        | 10:29     10:10   | 14:56      09:38   | 14:22     09:17   | 14:04        16:45     |
Tuesday             |                   |                    |                   |                        |
Doppelstern         | 01:58     06:02   | 05:36      01:48   | 14:07     04:36   | 10:03        04:42     |
Arukone             | 00:38     02:03   | 01:47      00:49   | 03:20     00:53   | 00:50        08:13     |
Wednesday           |                   |                    |                   |                        |
Doppelstern         | 04:43     04:31   | 03:08      10:28   | 04:29     06:34   | 05:33        13:25     |
Hitori              | 15:05     13:03   | 9999:59    21:04   | 13:36     13:24   | 20:53        17:35     |
Thursday            |                   |                    |                   |                        |
Tapa                | 03:49     01:58   | 01:52      02:34   | 04:43     09:36   | 03:14        21:21     |
Killersudoku        | 08:54     10:01   | 08:23      06:39   | 07:54     20:43   | 10:00        16:31     |
Friday              |                   |                    |                   |                        |
Magnetplattenrätsel | 04:26     05:12   | 05:04      05:05   | 18:07     14:42   | 08:48        08:53     |
Pyramidenrätsel     | 00:17     05:19   | 00:16      00:14   | 00:26     00:34   | 00:24        00:34     |
FINAL SCORE         | 6         4       | 3          7       | 4         6       | 8            2         |
detuned 6 kiwijam 4
ronaldx 3 drsteve 7
oenomel 4 rodders 6
PuzzleScot 8 puzzlemad 2

Congratulations to our winners, especially to Tom on another successful title defence over one of his scariest challengers yet! Commiserations to puzzlemad, who is relegated from the ladder. Thanks for playing, Liane; you're most welcome to rejoin any time, and unless you say otherwise I'll put you on the waiting list to join again.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Fri 08 Jul, 2011 9:40 pm

The sixteenth week's matches are as follows:

CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
detuned (C) vs. drsteve
Winner becomes (or remains) champion and defends the championship next week, loser descends to the #1 contender match next week.

#1 CONTENDER MATCH
kiwijam vs. rodders
Winner becomes #1 contender and gets a championship match next week, loser descends to the #2 contender match next week.

#2 CONTENDER MATCH
PuzzleScot vs ronaldx
Winner becomes #2 contender and gets a #1 contender match next week, loser descends to the relegation match next week.

RELEGATION MATCH
oenomel vs. dickoon
Winner survives and gets a #2 contender match next week, loser relegated from the ladder and replaced by whoever's at the front of the waiting list.

Waiting list: afcwarren, puzzlemad

Matches are to be played over Monday 11th July to Friday 15th July, with possible extra time on Saturday 16th July if required.

Have a look in the "Reflections on the croco-puzzle ladder?" thread, please, for a document I have put together comparing a number of match generation systems. I'd be delighted to know your thoughts, particularly on the concept of changing to three-way matches.

As ever, if you know in advance that you won't be able to take part on any particular weekday, please speak up as far in advance as you can and book yourself one or two bye days. If anybody else wants to join the waiting list, please let me know.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by rodders » Sat 09 Jul, 2011 9:44 am

Please can I have a bye on Friday this coming week (15th July)?

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Post by dickoon » Sat 09 Jul, 2011 3:17 pm

Certainly! Granted.

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Post by drsteve » Fri 15 Jul, 2011 4:14 pm

Well, an absolutely woeful performance from me this week - shows how things can vary - last week, I think I'd have beaten anyone on the ladder...

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Post by dickoon » Fri 15 Jul, 2011 8:34 pm

Here are the results of the sixteenth week of the UK croco-puzzle ladder:

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              | detuned   drsteve | kiwijam   rodders | PuzzleScot   ronaldx | oenomel   dickoon  |
Monday        |                   |                   |                      |                    |
Gebietssummen | 07:30     03:16   | 04:45     02:54   | 06:09        03:04   | 03:11     03:32    |
Kropki        | 00:53     01:24   | 00:51     00:42   | 01:22        00:40   | 01:08     00:44    |
Tuesday       |                   |                   |                      |                    |
Doppelstern   | 03:29     04:23   | 03:26     05:35   | 06:05        03:01   | 08:22     07:47    |
Domino        | 10:23     08:06   | 14:08     10:15   | 14:30        07:13   | 35:31     9999:59  |
Wednesday     |                   |                   |                      |                    |
Tapa          | 01:57     06:17   | 01:48     18:02   | 03:59        01:54   | 02:12     04:55    |
Schlange      | 03:46     16:22   | 12:17     12:18   | 12:23        06:13   | 04:27     9999:59  |
Thursday      |                   |                   |                      |                    |
Heyawake      | 01:02     02:59   | 01:35     02:24   | 07:08        03:38   | 01:45     03:42    |
Bahnhöfe      | 00:19     00:22   | 00:36     03:05   | 00:55        00:20   | 00:34     01:34    |
Friday        |                   |                   |                      |                    |
Masyu         | 00:49     02:26   |                   | 03:26        01:34   | 04:51     08:16    |
ABC-Box       | 01:18     12:10   |                   | 01:45        00:49   | 01:12     01:19    |
FINAL SCORE   | 8         2       | 5         3       | 0            10      | 8         2        |
detuned 8 drsteve 2
kiwijam 5 rodders 3
PuzzleScot 0 ronaldx 10
oenomel 8 dickoon 2

Congratulations to our winners, especially to Tom on another successful title defence! I got relegated, but at least I kept it close for two days. I probably spent half an hour on the Schlange before abandoning it unfinished; it's a format where I'm struggling to get to grips with all but the easiest examples.

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Post by dickoon » Fri 15 Jul, 2011 8:36 pm

Moderators, please delete this post. I cannot delete my own post once I have inadvertently replied to it.

*does a tap-dance to fill the gap*
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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Fri 15 Jul, 2011 8:37 pm

The seventeenth week's matches are as follows:

CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
detuned (C) vs. kiwijam
Winner becomes (or remains) champion and defends the championship next week, loser descends to the #1 contender match next week.

#1 CONTENDER MATCH
drsteve vs. ronaldx
Winner becomes #1 contender and gets a championship match next week, loser descends to the #2 contender match next week.

#2 CONTENDER MATCH
rodders vs oenomel
Winner becomes #2 contender and gets a #1 contender match next week, loser descends to the relegation match next week.

RELEGATION MATCH
PuzzleScot vs. afcwarren
Winner survives and gets a #2 contender match next week, loser relegated from the ladder and replaced by whoever's at the front of the waiting list.

Waiting list: puzzlemad, dickoon

Matches are to be played over Monday 18th July to Friday 22nd July, with possible extra time on Saturday 23rd July if required.

Have a look in the "Reflections on the croco-puzzle ladder?" thread, please, for a document I have put together comparing a number of match generation systems. I'd be delighted to know your thoughts, particularly on the concept of changing to three-way matches. I'll also try to produce a list of matches that would have been generated by kiwijam's very interesting-looking two-way match generation proposal.

As ever, if you know in advance that you won't be able to take part on any particular weekday, please speak up as far in advance as you can and book yourself one or two bye days. If anybody else wants to join the waiting list, please let me know.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Fri 15 Jul, 2011 9:12 pm

In terms of bye days, I probably can't make Wednesday or Thursday, so they better be byes for me.

Ronald, if you like, we can count them if I'm available, but you may prefer to just do Mon, Tue and Fri.

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